my NFH, you be the judge

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my NFH, you be the judge

Postby Pabst on Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:08 pm

hi i'm believe i have THE neighbor from hell, not a neighbor from hell but the epitome of NFH.

let me give you the run down of her and her family.

she is in her early 50's
her oldest son is 18
her youngest son is 12
her two daughters are i think 7 and 8 or 9

first i'll discuss her. her logic is astounding. for example, she honestly believe that if the other neighbors dont complain that means they're ok with whatever is going on. maybe they dont want to say something because they're afraid that by saying something it could make it worse for them. she also firmly believs that in order for her to be able to clean and keep the house and yard clean she needs a man. her younger son once had a hissy fit last year, called her a bitch and all used all kinds of nice vulgar language and then hit the mailbox knocking it off the post. her exact comment to him was she doesnt know how she's going to get mail now because she doesnt have a man to fix that. like other NFH she comes and goes almost constantly. so because she doesnt actually sit in her filthy house all the time she actually doesnt understand why we're tired of what goes on and more importantly what doesnt go on over on her property. she is very indecisive. at one point she'll agree with you and then changes her mind 2 minutes later, sometimes less than that. like she would agree that all the kids shouldnt be all over her cars but then doesnt want to go out and tell them to stay off her cars. which leads into another problem, she wanted ME to say something. i told her it wasnt my property and not my job, it was hers and i would support her but i would not do it for her. to this day she has yet to tell anyone even her own kids to stay off the cars. she believes she is being harassed by us. up until this year we didnt really say anything to her but things got so bad this year we had to start saying something. originally i went over and talked her about the stuff going on around her house, the fence falling apart, the cars parked in her yard (a violation) as well as the undriveable car in her driveway, the pool she has done nothing with in 3 years, the weeds in her back yard, the garbage in her backyard. and every time i talked to her it was the same old excuses, she doesnt have a man, she doesnt have time (big fat lie) and would start the sob story about being a single mom (my mom was a single mom and didnt pull this crap) at no time has she ever said she was sorry for all the mess, she has never expressed any remorse and acts very unapologetic about the way she lives. she honestly believes the way she lives is within her rights and really feels i'm just picking on her.

her oldest son is a trip. he's 18 and acts like a wannabe gangster with his loud music coming from his blazer. this was the same kid who was bullied away from his own goal by some of the very same people he hangs out with now and calls his friends. i almost feel sorry him and then i am often reminded that he thinks whatever he does that annoys other people gives him pleasure. he laughs about it and thinks its hilarious to bother people with his music and behavior. he's a drug dealer, i've talked to 2 of his former buyers and i've tried to get the cops to catch him but they're as useful as a football bat anymore. he considers no one but himself. when he was still living next door his friends would come over and park in our yard or in front of our house. well they're not my friends and i dont want them parked in my yard or in front of my house, especially since they would have plenty of space if his mom got rid of all the cars broken down on her property. at the moment he comes and goes but never really stays, he hasnt slept there in months and im hoping he continues to be a visitor more than a resident again.

his brother the 12 year is a future felon in the making. this boy has been caught throwing cans of paint at the back of the other on the other side of their house, throws trash where ever he wants and allows his friends to influence his actions. i cant remember everything the boy has done but he has shot airsoft pellets at our house many times. i've been finding them in our mulch mostly, he has a thing for shooting the house directly. yes i did say something to her, her response? talk to him. well that's not my job, YOU are the parent YOU talk to him, act like a parent for crying out loud.

her two daughters to put it kindly, are morons. near two months ago they were playing and kept going out into the street and not bothering to look. in fact this habit of going out into the street without looking is something they've been doing for years. well near two months ago a mustang damn near ran them over. while the NFH seemed somewhat concerned she never even got off her porch to take them inside or anything. she said something to them that they could get killed and the one girl said she didnt care. i view that comment as a sign that her life sucks and i blame her mother for that 100%. no child 7-9 years old should be making comments like that. both her daughters have smart mouths and will mouth off to anyone they want.

now for more behavior in more detail.

our NFH loves to celebrate the seasons and holidays, mostly xmas, easter, halloween and her kids' birthdays. i'm ok with this but from the same person who cant even spare 5 minutes cleaning up her own yard and has no money to fix one section of her fence has somehow managed to buy decorations every year for easter halloween and xmas and her kids birthday's.

she LOVES taking pictures. for no reason. she'll just go out and take pictures of her kids, whoever is around. i'm baffled by her behavior. i guess she's too busy being allen funt to clean her house or yard, poor her. :roll:

currently she has this habit of parking anywhere but in her own driveway. why you may ask? because she one broken down camaro that is not driveable by any means (her younger son's friends caved in the windshield and her oldest son wrecked and bent the sub frame) so she parks in her yard (a violation) or parks in the former neighbor's driveway across the street. she's been told numerous times to remove the cars in her driveway and i guess because i've mentioned it her before she's either refusing to do anything because she thinks that means i'll "win" or she really enjoys making everyone else misrable aorund her. i'm not real sure. i forgot to mention she had a blue dodge that she had to keep putting 20 bucks into every day for gas because she never changed the oil never did any kind of maintenance on it at all.

the backyard is a nightmare. while we've spent years fixing ours up planting, building a new deck and trying to turn our backyard into a sanctuary for us, she has turned her own backyard into a living hell. the trash, the rusty metal that was everywhere, the pool that sat undrained for 3 years, the weeds and now the fence between our properties. some years ago we had to call the cops on her older son because he was playing music in the house way too loud on new years eve. he knew it annoyed us, i'd go outside, he'd see us and give a smartass grin then turn it up more or he'd turn it down and then turn it back up after i went back inside. the cops were there when she finally showed up (i forgot to mention no adults were home and her oldest was no older than 14 at the time) and she gives them this bullshit about how we're just nosy neighbors. the cops explained to her that if we can hear the music in our house we have every legal right to complain. not that she buys that, she just thinks we do this to harass her. :roll: well the same thing applies to a stinky smelly pool that is a breeding ground for mosquitos, we have every legal right to complain about that, the fence the trash, the cars. all of it. she doesnt seem to get into her head that there are laws against every thing she has been doing the past few years.

the towing of a buick.

earlier this year her older son was driving a POS buick and had problems with the steering, not sure what, all i know is the thing leaked like a sieve. so he parked it in front of her house one day and just left it. i had talked to her about that and the camaro to see what they were doing with them. she kept hemming and hawing about having them hauled off to a junkyard but her indecisiveness won that battle so she kept flipflopping whether to try and sell them (unlikely) or just junk them ( a sure bet no matter what) well i got tired of seeing the buick sit half in their yard (again a violation) but i just waited to see what happened. well one day i go outside and there are cops next door. WTF? noone was home so i had no idea why there were there. our other neighbor says they're there for the buick and sure enough a wrecker showed up and hauled it off. according to our NFH when she called the police regarding the car being towed off they told her someone reported it. guess who got blamed first? us and we never reported her for it. i didnt even know cops could come out and haul off a car like that and if i had i would have called it in myself earlier than when it did happen. anyway she blames us or the neighbors across the street for calling. i've never lied to her and ive always told her what i was going to do. she doesnt understand why i would lie about this but is still convinced we called and had the car hauled off. she complained about fines to get the car back. well as far as i know she never paid them to get the car back and let the city keep it. again i didnt report it but if she had called a junkyard instead of looking at fines she would have gotten some cash for the car. yet somehow in her mind she thinks it's everyone elses fault and has only served to make her more paranoid.

my business your business our business

our NFH has this weird view on what is and isnt other people's business. if the appearance of her home lowers the property value of other people's homes, that makes it everyone else's business. she views it as no one's business but hers. except when she wanted me to chase the kids away when she wasnt there, wanted me to tell the kids to stay off her car, etc. suddenly its my business but if its something like the pool suddenly she thinks its not my business anymore. unless it crosses the property line, i normally dont care what she does. but her fence between our property lines IS our business as its leaning over and threatening to fall apart onto our property. because she has a pool she is required by law to have and maintain a fence. she believes we should simply our own fence. legally we are not required to so we are not going to do her job for her. i did offer to fix her fence if she bought the supplies needed. more of the same excuses, i dont have money, i dont have time, i dont have a way to get it here. i even told her i'd get the stuff since her lazy 18 year old son is too busy getting high with his buddies to do anything for his own mother. still more excuses from her even then.

insurance fraud?

if you make a legitimate claim on the roof of your house and you spend that money on something else besides the repair of the roof is that not insurance fraud? last year back in september/october we had hurricance force winds blow through our area and some roofs were damaged. her's was one but did nothing to get it fixed for a year. she finally got it fixed a couple weeks ago but not before she took the money her insurance company gave her and spent it on the 3rd (and only one running) car she currently drives. so i dont know how she paid for the roof since she admitted to me she spent the insurance money on the car. she also admitted the roof has been leaking into two of the rooms in the house.

parent, what parent

our NFH is no kind of parent. i never see her kids being punished, the disrespect that comes from them at her is amazing. she doesnt provide a clean house or yard for them to play in, i cant imagine what their diets are like. i have seen them at the store shopping, lots of junkfood. guess she doesnt have any money for real food? she doesnt give her kids any rules or boundaries and then wonders why nobody seems to like her or her kids. i once explained to her a long time ago that you can be a parent or a friend, you can be both and certainly not at the same time. being a parent means having to tell your children things they may not like, tough luck, they're kids and dont really get a say in what rules and boundaries are set for them. and just like with the kids and her cars she wants me to say something to her kids. again it is not my job, that is hers as a parent. i'm not arguing with a child over their behavior, i've gone through it too many times with other kids in the neighborhood, i'm not doing it anymore. i should also mention how most of the time her kids get home from school she isnt here. i dont mind the 12 year old coming home alone, though i dont think he's responsible enough to take care of himself i'm more disturbed by her two daughters that come home alone and are left there till whenever she comes home, sometimes the time between them coming home and her getting home last year was hours and hours every day. i think this year she's tried to find arrangements to make sure someone is there when her daughter get home but its only a half hearted gesture.

the climbing tree

for some reason some of the kids, especially her younger son's friends would come over and climb the tree. even if noone was there that didnt stop them. they would climb the tree, hang out on their property, play basketball, after all noone there ever tells them these things are not acceptable. fact is if one kid gets hurt on her property, even if she is not there their parents could try to hold her responsible and sue her. eventually the kids stopped climbing every day but still do on ocassion. now i dont care if kids climb trees, i did it when i was a kid but they broke or cracked 3-4 of the limbs by climbing too high up in the tree, a good 20-25 feet in the air. i wouldnt shed a tear if some kid got hurt and she was sued and had to sell the house, i just dont think people should run the risk though. i only did with her what i would do with any neighbor. her kids and their friends also climb the tree in the next yard over, a small flowering tree they're going to kill one day. but heaven forbid she come outside and makes sure they dont trespass on other people's property left alone ensure they dont climb other people's trees. again no rules, no boundaries.

the swimming pool

BEFORE the swimming pool became a cesspool and breeding ground for mosquitos her kids and her kids' friends loved to swim in the pool. i like pools but her kid's friends has this awful habit of coming over while they werent there and swam anyway. again i explained to her why this was risky and why it was important she set rules and boundaries and enforce them before some kid got hurt or drowned to death. again she never bothered to set rules and boundaries regarding the pool. i'm glad the pool isnt usable but now the pool breeds mosquitos during the year and we have had confirmed cases of west nile in this city before. as a person in high risk categories for certain illness and more prone to infection i dont appreciate her BS attitude and not give a damn mindset about the pool.

the basketball goal

this thing has been an ongoing nightmare for years. back when her oldest was about 13 or 14 they gave him a mobile basketball goal! awesome! originally it was place on the property line between our two houses but after cleaning up her kids and her kids' friends trash every day, after getting tired of the kids sitting on and climbing all over the car i moved it to their other property line. i know this only moved the problem over to her other neighbor's yard and i dont want that but we're not going to tolerate people trashing our yard and my car. since i moved it, he's had i think 2 more goals since they never take care of anything and would leave it out on the street for months or years allowing anyone who felt like having a pick up game have a game if they felt like. again this thing would sit out and attract the trouble making kids while her and kids would be away from the house most of the day. and she wondered why us and our neighbor across the street from her got tired of her her kids and her kids friends. again, no rules no boundaries even though it has bothered other people she thinks its none of our business.


now i understand she cant really control other people's kids but when they're on her property and they're there to see her kids she needs to make herself and her kids more aware of respecting others and take actions to ensure those kids respect her her property and her neighbors. but again, no rules, no boundaries, just do whatever you want and then cry harassment when people get mad.

the ex boyfriend

so her ex boyfriend comes over about 5 weeks ago and tried picking a fist fight with me. why? because i reported her twice. i wasnt trying to report her twice but the state seemed to be moving very slowly on the situation so i filed another report and made mention of them moving slowly and filing another report. anyway he comes over and is all pissed off spewing off a bunch of stuff i STILL cannot make sense of. best i can figure he was mad about us reporting her. his oldest son, not related to her was there and he was also trying to pick a fight with me at the same time and was going on abuot reporting the NFH's 18 year old son, i guess his half brother or some crap. making threats that if i reported him again for his lous music blah blah blah. i've been busy but i plan on going downtown to take out a warrant on her ex for assaulting me (he kicked me in the leg and thanks to my medication i had a near black bruise that lasted about 2 weeks) as as well as seeking restraining against him and his oldest son. her ex also accused me of "pushing" one of the kids around to one of our neighbors. im not sure which way he means, either physically or verbally but i've done neither.

as far as i'm concerned i feel like we're the ones being harassed and i feel like we're being subjected to the kind of harassment the courts wouldn't know how to handle. like her son shooting air soft pellets at out house. what am i suppose to do about that? there's no damage (yet) so what can i do? its a misdemeanor and unless the cops see it, they cant do anything (which is there mantra for everything including the felony breaking and entering of our neighbor's house)

aside from one time where i went over and threatened to report her for everything that goes on after getting tired of seeing paintballs in our yard because her oldest bought a paintball gun and decided to let his younger siblings play with it AFTER i told to her about it, i have been nice polite and as civil as i know how to be. i have offered to help her if i could so its not like i went over told her to "get it done" and then made no effort to find a solution that worked for everyone. every step of the way she has had excuses, she doesnt have a man, she's busy (working part time as a hallmark store isnt busy and her kids have no extra curricular activities), she doesnt have money (she's tried claiming she doesnt even have the money for bags of concrete to fix her fence)

the last communication was her leaving a note on our stairs like a coward telling us to find someone else to harass and to build our own fence.

the law is clear and she is violating the law. her running her mouth to her ex boyfriend who only knows she she tells him and never bothered to learn what is really going on isnt helping her cause since i think she had him come over to harass me and try and intimidate me. her claim was she had no idea he came over to measure her roof, BS i say. she had no problem whipping that phone out trying to call her ex boyfriend when the neighbor took the goal from her kids so i have no doubt she fed him a bunch of crap and worked him up into a lather hoping that he would get me to back down.

she also threatened us with a harassment lawsuit after the indicent with her ex boyfriend too. i hope she does. her life and what she does will be on trial as much as my reporting her will be, if not more so. we have broken no laws and i have had to ensure my wife doesnt do anything stupid. after this last go around with her ex boyfriend trying to pick a fight with me my wife was livid with our NFH. as long as they continue to break the law and harass us, it takes away their chances of winning anything against us.

now i have reported her twice for the trash, the weeds, the cars, the pool the fence. i have looked up codes regarding the fence and by law she has to have and maintain a fence as long as she has a pool. the state is SLOWLY working on the issue and while i understand i can be impatient at times. fact is the second time i reported her it was 5 weeks AFTER they came out the first time, we've been living with this for years and we're tired of it. even our relatively new neighbor who thought maybe i was being hard on her now sees she's just being a bad neighbor and couldnt see himself living next to her without getting mad.

i feel like i'm losing my sanity because of her and her kids. every time i hear her older son's music my heart rate and blood pressure go through the roof. every time her kids' friends come over i feel like i have to constantly look at my windows. i wasnt like this before but after cleaning up after her kids and her kids' friends and telling them constantly to stay our of our yard i feel like the only way to ensure it doesnt happen again is to constantly watch as we know she never does.

when she is home, she never goes outside. her excuse is she's always busy doing something inside. like what? it certainly isnt cleaning. other neighbors KNOW what her house is like, they're either seen it or been in it. i have witnesses to speak on my behalf if she's actually stupid enough to try and sue us. she has not one neighbor on the street that can speak for her or would. lets not mention the fact she's been caught by two other neighbors giving head to guys in her driveway, once with her kid standing at the front door watching. FANTASTIC! apparently it doesnt occur to her to take the guy inside for that crap. again no rules, no boundaries, just do whatever you want and then blame everyone else when they complain.

feel free, ask questions, make comments. what i've mentioned is just a nutshell or some of the stuff that we've had to put up with. its been compounded by another problem; a few years ago they built section 8 housing behind our houses our other neighbor's realtor lied to him and said it wasnt section 8 housing but he didnt find out till after he bought the house and moved in.

i cant and must not allow this crap to go on. this was a fairly nice neighborhood before and it should be that way again. the NHF has just been a cherry on the sundae for us. originally everyone had problems with the people in the section 8 housing, especially the kids but now its mostly us and her immediate neighbors since they attract the worst kids around.

if i back down then they will think they can do whatever they want. i dont think her or her ex boyfriend will be happy if i take out a warrant and try to get restraining orders against him and his oldest son but if i dont then he'll think he can come over and do it again and again and i cant allow that. i refuse to be a victim to bullying and intimidation and with my medical problems i dont want or need this crap from him and her.
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Re: my NFH, you be the judge

Postby john72ss on Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:39 pm

welcome to the forums! you need to file assault charges on the ex boyfriend! you also need to call the police and cps for her kids that she wont control or feed properly, also inform code inforcement abou the fence and pool! tell her you are doing this! if she has no money then dont worry about her starting a lawsuit against you, they cost money! you sought out this website for help! thats a good first step, but be warned once you start this things might get worse before it gets better! take back your neighborhood! you will win in the end, either they will move or conform! call the police each violation! if half of what you say is true, they will be on your side! tell them about the drug dealing! good luck, keep us posted!
Fighting the NFH problem One nfh at a Time! MINE!
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Re: my NFH, you be the judge

Postby Pabst on Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:32 pm

for the actual code violations, like i said, i reported her and the state is SLOWLY handling that. i do plan on filing charges against her ex boyfriend.

CPS has been called before but what they said seemed rather mentally challenged. CPS has come by her place before, we didnt report her at the time but CPS would come by. she trained the kids to never answer the door. if no one answers the door CPS says they cant do anything more and they drop it. CPS much like the police are a joke.

the police when we tried reporting her older son for drug dealing the "tip line" the police have require we give them things like his date of birth. how am i suppose to get that? to make that seem even more bizzare, the second time we called the cops when he showed up a 2nd time over to her house the police actually called us back and looked up his information and gave it to us. when we called we told them we needed them to come out and get his info so i could go and press charges against him. so the tip line cant seem to look up anyone yet the police we called gave us the information on her ex boyfriend, where he lives, his date of birth... the police are useless. first off the mayor wanted this merger between county and city governments. well after the merger he got rid of the county police and gave an entire section of the city to a few city cops to look over. so police here is a joke. thanks to the section 8 housing we have we once heard arguing and fighting and someone making the comment about getting a gun. we called the police and the cops never showed up. in fact that's not the only time they've completely not shown up. besides, the cops cant or wont do anything about the crap we call them for. they keep coming out saying its a misdemeanor and they cant do anything about it. THEN WHY ARE THERE LAWS AGAINST THIS CRAP? it doesnt make any sense to make misdemeanor laws if no one enforces them.

in fact the last time the cops did come out they seemed real annoyed, regardless that we called because the NFH's ex boyfriend tried assaulting me and kicked me. they just about complained about the calls they get because of our neighbors. they even had the gall to tell another neighbor to "stay away from that house" and pointed towards our house. apparently to the cops WE are the bad guys. i'll be complaining to supervisors and whoever else i need to. so sorry my neighborhood has become a cesspool but some of us still give a damn and want something done about it.

it seems like we're a society that now favors and rewards bad neighbors/behavior and punishes good people who only want a nice place to live.
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Re: my NFH, you be the judge

Postby 34garden on Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:47 pm

I am typing this as I listen to NFH hound barking and lunging at kids trick or treating... guess he doesn't want to buy any candy so the dog it keeping them at bay.

good luck, your NFh indeed does sound really really bad. And you have found, like most of us here, that authorities only exist to create a "paper trail" in case you need to bring them to court someday. You have to have that "paper trail". That is what the judges want. You have to play the game it seems to me
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Re: my NFH, you be the judge

Postby Foxie on Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:57 pm

WONDERFUL.. nope not being snide at all.. I do understand your frustration with this NfH..
I have two suggestions to help you ..
1 Build a privacy fence just inside the the property line .. ( make sure you have a survey done of course )
put the ugly side to her side and then NEVER LOOK at that side of the fence again .. so what if it get graffietieed? doesnt matter YOU dont have to see it .. make sure its at least 6 foot high and has no tresspassing signs on the side faceing her house .. I would run cheap wire fencing on the framing as well .. for a green wall in the spring.. that will stop the noise a little and you dont look like the bad guy as you self protect whats yours every body likes trumpet vines and such eeehh?
2 buy a can of mace or pepper spray .. next time the asswipes come to the door use it .. and call the cops because your afraid they are gonna hurt you
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just some general ideas here of course but you cant control what the idiot does but you can control what you have to look at .. thats why the fence is so importian .
the noise? welll ya cant say much in the day time .. but air horns work wonders at night ..
folks like her have an inbred sense of cops or cps at the door .. so give that one up and dont look when you hear that blood curdling scream when a kid gets hurt .. it is not your problem its hers ..
yup I am into self defense the best way I know how
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Re: my NFH, you be the judge

Postby Pabst on Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:19 pm

Foxie wrote:WONDERFUL.. nope not being snide at all.. I do understand your frustration with this NfH..
I have two suggestions to help you ..
1 Build a privacy fence just inside the the property line .. ( make sure you have a survey done of course )
put the ugly side to her side and then NEVER LOOK at that side of the fence again .. so what if it get graffietieed? doesnt matter YOU dont have to see it .. make sure its at least 6 foot high and has no tresspassing signs on the side faceing her house .. I would run cheap wire fencing on the framing as well .. for a green wall in the spring.. that will stop the noise a little and you dont look like the bad guy as you self protect whats yours every body likes trumpet vines and such eeehh?
2 buy a can of mace or pepper spray .. next time the asswipes come to the door use it .. and call the cops because your afraid they are gonna hurt you
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just some general ideas here of course but you cant control what the idiot does but you can control what you have to look at .. thats why the fence is so importian .
the noise? welll ya cant say much in the day time .. but air horns work wonders at night ..
folks like her have an inbred sense of cops or cps at the door .. so give that one up and dont look when you hear that blood curdling scream when a kid gets hurt .. it is not your problem its hers ..
yup I am into self defense the best way I know how


i'm not building a fence. she is going to fix hers. she has a pool and is required by law to have and maintain one and she is going to whether she likes it or not. if the state does their job correctly they'll force her too. even if she refuses they can fine her and take her to court if she still refuses. she cant get around the state. we've already talked to the inspector that came out and he told us of her trying to give him a sob story about she doesnt have a man and the inspector isnt buying it. he told us if he comes out again, based on how much she's gotten done he'll fine her 500-800 dollars or give her a summons for court. apparently this guy isnt gonna play games with her and isnt gonna play her games.

the noise isnt just her son, its also assholes in the section 8 housing behind our houses. its just his is the loudest when he comes around since he parks that blazer about 30 feet from our bedroom. but like i said lately he's been come and go, not much on staying. i hope it stays that way. though some jerk in the section 8 housing sure is trying to set a record for loudest stereo i think. whoever it is, they've been reported before. i do not think its too much it be quiet at night. during the day i cant say much but at night i dont think its unreasonable to expect it to be quiet. even with that its been somewhat quiet.
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Re: my NFH, you be the judge

Postby Foxie on Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:56 pm

Well the fence idea was for your benifit really .. I wouldnt live w/o some kinda blinder just so I wouldnt have to look at her crummy yard ..
Its good that the inspector is taking an interrest in this but .. whats the worst that can be done besides the money thing and trust me she will not pay them eventually she will just move out .. and leave the disastor zone for everyone else to look at

Sure its section 8 behind you or just low income trash in the projects?
I'm a landlord and trust me the sec 8 folks are controled or they lose their benifits .. Likely most of the trash is just cheap trash on a hud housing deal .. the Projects are the great places for them a stick of dynomite would clear that problem ..
eeehh I know Bob will say no no to the volience idea but I am sure that doing just that would feel so damn good to any one who has to live near these issues ..
yup "try me" is my rally cry lately .. I refuse to let these jerks drive me insane I am just a bigger a'hole than they ever thought about being
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Re: my NFH, you be the judge

Postby Pabst on Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:05 pm

Foxie wrote:Well the fence idea was for your benifit really .. I wouldnt live w/o some kinda blinder just so I wouldnt have to look at her crummy yard ..
Its good that the inspector is taking an interrest in this but .. whats the worst that can be done besides the money thing and trust me she will not pay them eventually she will just move out .. and leave the disastor zone for everyone else to look at

Sure its section 8 behind you or just low income trash in the projects?
I'm a landlord and trust me the sec 8 folks are controled or they lose their benifits .. Likely most of the trash is just cheap trash on a hud housing deal .. the Projects are the great places for them a stick of dynomite would clear that problem ..
eeehh I know Bob will say no no to the volience idea but I am sure that doing just that would feel so damn good to any one who has to live near these issues ..
yup "try me" is my rally cry lately .. I refuse to let these jerks drive me insane I am just a bigger a'hole than they ever thought about being


a fence wouldnt block or hide anything on her side unless it was a good 10 feet tall and i dont think i can go above 8 feet. and like i said im not doing it. it would cost me a lot of time and money and would be rather stupid.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/p ... 0_1929.jpg

that's her fence, you will see a ditch at the bottom, that runs along the property line in the middle of the ditch. if i put up a fence it will create a corridor, one that would enable teenagers and who knows who else to go in there and do who knows what. our fence goes across that ditch and currently its prevent kids and teenagers from going between our properties. it is not a sidewalk, it is on private property and we put our fence up so people would stop running through our property. if we build a fence it was open that ditch up who know who. all i know is i got tired of seeing used rubbers on the side of my house. since the fence went over the ditch the BS has stopped. not sure how to explain it without drawing a map of some sort but suffice it to say if we build a build she'll tear hers down and the hoodlums will be running between our houses, she wont care as usual but we cant and will not allow it.

and yes it is section 8. originally when they first went up the cops fire department and EMS were over there every day. no exaggerating either, EVERY DAY. it isnt like that now but its still pretty crappy. we have enough bad residents to make you want to loathe living here. the corner store has been robbed way more often since they apartments and townhouses went up.

the problem isnt just the neighbor, its her and the section 8 housing hoodlums.
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Postby john72ss on Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:21 am

dont know much about section 8 housing, but arnt they very low income?? how can they afford a big stereo system in their car?
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Postby Later on Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:44 am

Looks like a nasty mess...

If the State did try to push the issue it wouldn't surpise me if she decided to remove the pool instead of replacing the fence:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/p ... 0_1934.jpg
Then what?

What's up with these repairs and the half length pickets:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/p ... 0_1930.jpg

And this brace on your side of the fence?
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Postby Carol on Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:03 pm

Is that your backyard with the tire laying in it?
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Postby Pabst on Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:00 pm

john72ss wrote:dont know much about section 8 housing, but arnt they very low income?? how can they afford a big stereo system in their car?


because they dont have to pay full rent like everyone else. that's what section 8 housing is, giving housing to low income families while tax payers pay a part of their rent.
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Postby Pabst on Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:04 pm

Later wrote:Looks like a nasty mess...

If the State did try to push the issue it wouldn't surpise me if she decided to remove the pool instead of replacing the fence:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/p ... 0_1934.jpg
Then what?

What's up with these repairs and the half length pickets:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/p ... 0_1930.jpg

And this brace on your side of the fence?
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/p ... 0_1929.jpg


if she removes the pool then that's fine, we will build our own fence. but she wont get rid of it. hell the pumpkins she has sitting out in front of her house wont get thrown away, her kids and their friends will smash them in the street or they'll just sit there and rot. she still parks in the neighbor's driveway across the street because i guess she thinks by not removing the cars she's showing me who's boss or whatever. she's been ordered to remove or clean crap up and still hasnt done it. i cant tell if she is refusing because she thinks that's her way of getting back at me or if she is that damn lazy/stupid.

odds of her removing the pool are slim to none. she'll give a sob story AGAIN that she doesnt have a man and she doesnt know she'll remove it and blah blah blah.

and the brace is there because if we didnt, that section of fence would fall down.
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Postby Pabst on Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:06 pm

Carol wrote:Is that your backyard with the tire laying in it?


yea its a tire but its not just laying there. its serving as a bed for a rose. it's a temp thing until we move the plant. we had a rose near that spot and moved it earlier this year and that sprouted i guess from one of the roots that was still there.
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Postby 34garden on Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:24 pm

You can't have a fence that is 10 feet high but you can grow evergreens that are even higher :twisted:
If she gets rid of the pool, she won't have to worry about the fence, but I supposed this never occurred to her feeble mind. Why would she keep the pool at this point since it doesn't sound like she keeps it up? then she wouldn't have to worry about fixing the fence. But the things that NFH do usually make NO sense.

What the h*ll is wrong with their roof? It looks like the part that leaked and they tried to fix it with one of those cheapo blue tarps. The rednex here all do that. Unfortunatley those tarps don't last through the winter with snowstorms and all... what ARE they thinkin. Do they ever really fix it, nope, they get get a new tarp. Unbelievable.
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Postby Carol on Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:36 pm

If she's section 8 then technically there is a lien on that house unless she is a renter. If there is a lien, then report it to welfare; if she is a renter, call the landlord.
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Postby Pabst on Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:54 pm

Carol wrote:If she's section 8 then technically there is a lien on that house unless she is a renter. If there is a lien, then report it to welfare; if she is a renter, call the landlord.


she's not section 8 at all. its all the hooligans behind our houses who are and have contributed to this problem and a general problem with the neighborhood as well.

she owns the house.
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Postby Pabst on Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:35 pm

34garden wrote:You can't have a fence that is 10 feet high but you can grow evergreens that are even higher :twisted:
If she gets rid of the pool, she won't have to worry about the fence, but I supposed this never occurred to her feeble mind. Why would she keep the pool at this point since it doesn't sound like she keeps it up? then she wouldn't have to worry about fixing the fence. But the things that NFH do usually make NO sense.

What the h*ll is wrong with their roof? It looks like the part that leaked and they tried to fix it with one of those cheapo blue tarps. The rednex here all do that. Unfortunatley those tarps don't last through the winter with snowstorms and all... what ARE they thinkin. Do they ever really fix it, nope, they get get a new tarp. Unbelievable.


lol yeah she had her son (miracle of miracles) get on the roof and put that tarp up. it didnt work and eventually we had some strong winds a month and a half ago and turned it into shredded tarp. it was everywhere.

she finally got it fixed, a year AFTER the damage happened. and had to have playwood replaced and had water leak into two of her rooms. she caused herself more problems by not doing anything about it but i guess that's how she likes it.
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Postby Later on Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:38 pm

So do either of you have a dog?
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Postby Pabst on Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:37 pm

Later wrote:So do either of you have a dog?


yes which is why i take issue with the fence. i dont expect her to keep a fence to keep my dogs in my yard, its to keep them out if her yard and prevent them from being hurt in her yard.

its why i offered to do all the work if she buy the materials. i figured since i do benefit from the fence i would offer to do the heavy lifting. she made excuses and gave me a run around.
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Postby xyz on Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:14 am

Pabst wrote:
Later wrote:So do either of you have a dog?


yes which is why i take issue with the fence. i dont expect her to keep a fence to keep my dogs in my yard, its to keep them out if her yard and prevent them from being hurt in her yard.

its why i offered to do all the work if she buy the materials. i figured since i do benefit from the fence i would offer to do the heavy lifting. she made excuses and gave me a run around.

Your dogs are a non-issue concerning your NFH fixing her fence, their safety & well being are your responsibility - not hers.
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Postby Later on Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:19 pm

Pabst wrote:
Later wrote:So do either of you have a dog?


yes which is why i take issue with the fence. i dont expect her to keep a fence to keep my dogs in my yard, its to keep them out if her yard and prevent them from being hurt in her yard.


Sounds to me like you need the fence a lot more than she does. Like XYZ says, the dogs are your responsibility not hers, and I suspect that responsibility includes keeping them on your property. I also question whether a swimming pool without any water even meets the requirement to be fenced. While it may be an eyesore and a nuisance, there's not much concern about a child drowning in it....
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Postby Pabst on Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:06 pm

Later wrote:
Pabst wrote:
Later wrote:So do either of you have a dog?


yes which is why i take issue with the fence. i dont expect her to keep a fence to keep my dogs in my yard, its to keep them out if her yard and prevent them from being hurt in her yard.


Sounds to me like you need the fence a lot more than she does. Like XYZ says, the dogs are your responsibility not hers, and I suspect that responsibility includes keeping them on your property. I also question whether a swimming pool without any water even meets the requirement to be fenced. While it may be an eyesore and a nuisance, there's not much concern about a child drowning in it....


like i said the law says she has to have an maintain a fence. our dogs only go out to do their business and can be put on chains for that. we did that before.

the burden is on her. not me.
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Postby Carol on Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:24 pm

We kind of had the same situation with limb thrower NFH. We put up a stockade fence because their kids were (are) vicious animals like the parents. They also have an inground pool. There had been a split rail fence on their side. One weekend while we were away, NFH took his fence down. We let it go but when their kids started to rock my fence out of the ground while on a ladder (!) I called her to tell her that she must realize that taking her fence down was unlawful. That if she maintaINED SOME DECORUM WITH HER BRATS WE WOULD NOT EVEN BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. ThE KIDS CONTINUED TO TERRORIZE US SO i CALLED THE tOWNSHIP. Twnshp. said that if you have a pool you must own the fence :D So I reported them. Knowing it would all be our fault we dedcided to report them because NOTHING will change the situation. Fence, no fence, etc. They were forced to put up a fence. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I would do it again in a heartbeat. The problem escalated but ended in NFH drunk-man being found guilty of assaulting me. Given a not-so-shabby-fine I might add. Just yesterday NFH daughter's skank boyfriend was staring into my house while walking down the street. (you know they tell their side of the story to every ear that will listen while we have moved on) I was inside at the window taking down the Halloween decorations ansd he gave me a huge wave. NFH and kid were with him. I hope his pick-up made it home all right 8)
My point is, whatever you do they will not stop so put up your own fence. Get a variance for an 8' one. It will hold them off . Never will the problem go away unless someone physically moves or dies.
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Postby xyz on Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:42 pm

Carol wrote: Never will the problem go away unless someone physically moves or dies.

Yep, they're more than happy to put far more effort into being a pain in the @ss than it would take to be decent/indifferent.
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